Good morning gamers,
Less than a month ago, we got a preview from Games Workshop about the next supplement coming to the Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game: the Fall of the Necromancer. Unlike other supplements, there are no new models being released with this supplement - instead, the game designers have developed a scenery kit for Dol Guldur and are bringing back older sculpts back to the range (including the much-sought-after White Council blister which has the very-rare Galadriel, Lady of Light sculpt - why did I buy the old Lady of Light sculpt when it was MTO?!?!?!?!).
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Another supplement I didn't know I wanted . . .
They also announced that alongside the 13 narrative scenarios (an upgrade over the 7 scenarios from the original Fall of the Necromancer sourcebook released in the early 2000s) there would be four Legendary Legions in this book with a bit of a spoiler about what they are. Like I did with Quest of the Ringbearer, let's dig in today and make our predictions for the next supplement!
The White Council
This Legion, called the Vanquishers of the Necromancer, is likely to be based on the characters from the Battle of Five Armies film instead of the current members of the White Council (which include Celeborn and Glorfindel) or members of the White Council from previous editions (which included Legolas, Thranduil, Cirdan, Erestor, and Arwen). The army list is shaping up to be one of the lowest profile-count Legions in the game (the Return of the King has 6 profiles, the Riders of Eomer has 5 profiles, and the Black Riders LL has 2 profiles) and the fourth Legion to have a points ceiling (alongside the Breaking of the Fellowship at 600pts, the Black Riders at 1155pts, and the Defenders of the Shire at 1387pts if they only take 1 war horn).
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Weird that they didn't show off the new scenery kit in this photo . . .
The trick with this Legion is that with the reduced profiles we expect to see in the Legion (most Legions reduce the profiles you have access to - the Return of the King and Grey Company LLs being the notable exceptions), the rules you get from the Legion need to make up for the restricted list building options you have. The White Council army bonus is almost never kept (you're historical allies with Rivendell and convenient allies with almost everyone else) and gives your White Council models +1 to their Resist rolls if another White Council model is nearby. With access to Fortify Spirit from Galadriel (and Glorfindel having it by default), this means your heroes can shut down magic very effectively (see my post on the best anti-caster models in the game for more info).
So what does this all-hero army currently struggle with that other all-hero/hero-heavy lists don't struggle with (I'm looking specifically at the Fellowship/Breaking of the Fellowship LL, Thorin's Company, and Erebor Reclaimed)? Here are the three big things:
- Banners - the White Council has no access to banners and while many of its models are F6+/3A heroes (Elrond, Galadriel, Celeborn, Glorfindel), the wizards are F5/1A (Saruman, Gandalf, Radagast - though Sebastian will give Radagast a second die that he can't modify). Thankfully, the 1A heroes in the list have access to mounts (horses for all three and the option to upgrade to the sleigh or an Eagle for Radagast), so you're not limited to just 1 Attack, but you have to pay even MORE points AND have the charge in order for them to have a good chance of winning their fights against 2+ opponents.
- Heroic March - if you're running all-mounted White Council (aka no Galadriel or Celeborn), you don't need March. I expect that only one model in this list will have access to a mount (Radagast will have his sleigh as an option) so you're all walking. And naturally, no one in this list has Heroic March. Oops . . .
- Lots of Might - the White Council has a lot of Might on paper, but once you get to actually using them, you find that you have far fewer Might than you really want/need. Gandalf, Saruman, and Radagast all have spells that are valuable to channel (though Gandalf doesn't need to channel Blinding Light if Galadriel is near him, and none of the wizards need to channel Terrifying Aura unless you're going to be mobbed by C1-3 troops). Since this list is going to be tiny, Heroic Combats are critical to evening the model count - and if Elrond and Galadriel are calling Combats (or Striking), you're probably going to run out of Might very quickly.
Unless Celeborn chooses to show up (though at that point, you might as well bring Glorfindel too so he would be the only one left out), here's what we've got (maxing out at 850pts):
- Units/Gear:
- Saruman the White
- Gandalf the Grey [required, ARMY LEADER]
- Radagast the Brown (option for the Sleigh, maybe Sebastian)
- Galadriel, Lady of Light
- Elrond, Master of Rivendell with heavy armor
- Rules:
- Are You In Need Of Assistance, My Lady? Models from this Legendary Legion count as being in range of a banner if there is another friendly model within 6". Additionally, models from this Legendary Legion gain a +1 to their Resist rolls if there is another friendly model within 6".
- The Council of the Wise: Elrond, Master of Rivendell may spend a Will point each turn without reducing his Will store. Additionally, Saruman the White, Gandalf the Grey, and Radagast the Brown start the game with Terrifying Aura already cast on themselves. If all three of the wizards are in your list, they begin with the channelled version of this spell cast on themselves.
- Return to the Void From Whence You Came: Models from this Legendary Legion gain a bonus of +1 To Wound against Spirit models. This is cumulative with other rules that confer a similar benefit (such as two-handed weapons, Hadafang, or a channelled Enchanted Blades).
The Halls of Thranduil
The all-Mirkwood-Ranger list has been seen here at TMAT before, but it lacks three things that other shooting lists have.
- Spears - Mirkwood Rangers can have multiple Attacks if they are engaged by more than one model, which generally means they need to be charging (and rolling 6s). Charging into bad odds is generally countered by having spears to support you, but this list can't do that. As such, you can have your Rangers charge two guys, but if they lose, they're probably dying and leaving a big gap in your battle line.
- Banners - If you don't have spears, you want a banner. These guys don't have that either, which means if you don't charge and your opponent charges a Mirkwood Ranger with a single model and brings in a spear support, you're rolling fewer dice with no remedy for a bad roll.
- Expensive D3 Models - At 14pts each, some players question if they are worth taking because they're only D3. They sure are expensive, but multiple Attack models aren't cheap (unless you're Hunter Orcs of course). One final critique of the Halls of Thranduil is that Wood Elf Sentinels count towards your bow limit, so you can only bring one. Talk about expensive troops that are D3, but it would be nice if that was solved while they're at it.
So what does this army need to do to be useful (and worth taking over the current Halls of Thranduil list)? I think it boils down to solving the banner and support issues - let's look at what I think is coming.
- Units/Gear:
- Legolas Greenleaf Prince of Mirkwood with Elven cloak (maybe the option for Orcrist, but I doubt it) [required, ARMY LEADER]
- Tauriel with Elf bow
- Mirkwood Ranger Captain
- Mirkwood Ranger (option for war horn)
- Wood Elf Sentinel
- Rules:
- Skirmish Force. Mirkwood Rangers do not count towards your bow limit. In addition, for each hero taken in this force, one Wood Elf Sentinel does not count towards the bow limit.
- Rally To The Captains. Mirkwood Rangers, Wood Elf Sentinels, and Mirkwood Ranger Captains count as being within range of a banner if they are within 6" of Tauriel or Legolas. Additionally, Legolas and Tauriel count as being within range of a banner if they are within 6" of each other.
- Tandem fighting. Mirkwood Rangers can support other Mirkwood Rangers as if they had spears.
The Dark Powers of Dol Guldur
Some players, like Jeremy from the Green Dragon Podcast, love playing with the Necromancer and the Nazgul of Dol Goldur. The Nazgul don't die (unless they get a 1 on their resurrection roll or a 2 if killed by an Elven-made weapon or magical power) and the Necromancer is very hard to crack through (unless Floi is around). But there are a few things that this configuration struggles with that can be fixed by running warriors instead of just the Nazgul.
- Shooting - D6-8 models don't generally worry about shooting, but catching shooting lists is difficult with this army. While you can throw 1 Will each turn at a Chill Soul against a warrior archer (turns into 2 dice with the current army bonus), this will slowly burn through your resources (and you've only got a 55% chance of passing the roll each time you try). Your Nazgul might be able to "blink" towards the enemy if they die on approach and get resurrected, but any losses you suffer to shooting will be felt deeply - especially if you're playing between 500-700pts and you only have a handful of Nazgul.
- Objective-based Games - all-hero armies that can't March have a hard time with objective-based games - especially if they can't shoot. Sure, you can not-die on an objective, but you can also be outnumbered or shot off of one - and if your Nazgul continue to die each round, when the game does end they count as being casualties. That's not good. With no March in the list (common theme today), you may have a long slog to far-off objectives (and maybe even counting on dying in order to get some free movement and bypass enemy positions). It's a risky game that.
- Heroic-Combat-heavy lists - army lists like the Breaking of the Fellowship and Riders of Theoden LLs can force your Nazgul to spend Might Striking instead of resurrecting for fear of your army crumbling under the oppression of multiple Heroic Combats from big, BIG heroes. Without a banner in your list (another common theme), you need a good roll on 2 dice (3 for Khamul, but you're forced to two-hand and will need your other Might point to boost) or you'll get cleared out. With 2 Might on your Nazgul (3 on the Witch-King), you can't Strike for very long - and the more you Strike, the more likely you are to fail a resurrection roll.
- Units/Gear:
- The Necromancer of Dol Goldur [required, ARMY LEADER]
- Nazgul of Dol Goldur
- Rules:
- A Power Is Rising. The Necromancer of Dol Guldur may spend a Will point each turn without reducing his Will store. Additionally, friendly models count as being within range of a banner if they are within 6" of the Necromancer.
- Relentless Assault. Nazgul of Dol Guldur gain the Fearless and Resistant to Magic special rules.
- Terror In The Night. A model in range of between four and six models from this force with the Harbinger of Evil special rule suffers an additional -1 to their Courage value. A model in range of seven or more models from this force with the Harbinger of Evil special rule suffers an additional -2 to their Courage value.
The Dark Denizens of Mirkwood
An all spider army can be a truly terrible thing in the game - and some people run it now. Like Moria and the Depths of Moria LL, the change for this Legion and the Dark Denizens list appears to be wrapped up primarily in the loss of one unit: Bat Swarms (and also Fell Wargs). Thankfully, spider-heavy lists have a few ways of coping with this:
- Paralyze - The Paralyze power is one of the strongest Magical Powers in the game. There are a bunch of models that can apply Paralyze with various brutal power attacks or special rules - and Mirkwood Spiders are one of them. However, they can Paralyze someone from a distance with their Webs - 8" range hitting on a 5+ if you're charging into someone or hitting on a 6 if you're moving and shooting (since you are rarely standing still). If you're shooting at a warrior model who doesn't have Fate, you are literally one roll away from not having to worry about them killing you (and since Paralyze knocks the enemy prone, you can get mega damage off the S5/2A spider despite his horrible Fight Value.
- Great Combat Profile - Speaking of being S5/2A, both Giant Spiders and Mirkwood Spiders have great Strength/Attack stats and pairs that with poison (rerolling 1s to Wound) and Giant Spiders have F4, which is great if you manage to NOT paralyze something. Without a banner, these guys can be glass cannons, but they're pretty amazing when they win.
- Multi-Wound Models - You know what the great thing about having a spider is? They don't have a single wound. If you're fighting a single model (who only has 1 Attack), you know for sure that even if you lose, you won't be dying at the end of the round. If you face someone with 2 Attacks (or are fighting a model that's spear-supported), you know that they have to wound you with both dice in order to kill you. Once you're facing 3+ dice, things get risky, but if you're able to pick and choose your attack options, you can fight against single foes and find match-ups that guarantee (or all-but-guarantee) no losses.
- Speed (Lots of Speed) - 10" movement that ignores difficult terrain of all kinds and can climb over obstacles without difficulty (and even climb on vertical surfaces) is really good. Obviously, if there isn't a lot of terrain, this doesn't appear to be that useful, but having 10" movement is incredible. Add to that the fact that you're all infantry, you can dig up objectives while moving very quickly - which is great in some scenarios.
- No Banner - As was mentioned above, spiders have no banners in their list (no heroes who count as banners and of course they can't take any at the start - though they can pick them up if they're adjacent to someone who has one and is killed . . . interesting). 2 Attacks is good, but it's finnicky and with low Defense, that can be devastating. Usually you can pair your spiders with models who have banners, but if you don't have that in your army, you need to be VERY careful with your match-ups.
- Low Courage and No Fury - Staying power is a thing when you're broken (and with low Defense, if something goes wrong, it could go VERY wrong quickly). If you need to charge Terror models (with your spider webs, especially), you could be in for some huge trouble. Bringing Druzhag or Ashrak can get your spiders Fury, but without access to these two heroes, you could have a hard time charging Terror walls or staying in the fight when things are getting grim.
- Balancing Combat Models and Skirmish Models - Your Giant Spiders are F4/6+ while Mirkwood Spiders are F2/5+ - and if these are your only models, you need to pick and choose what you want to emphasize in your army. Taking Giant Spiders is good once you're in melee, but being F4 only goes so far when dealing with heroes who are F5+ (so you need to take Mirkwood Spiders too). Finding the right balance is really hard.
- One Hero = Limited Might - Might use is probably the most tactical resource in the game and using it well is important. Having only one hero with 3 Might points (and the need to call Heroic Moves, Heroic Combats, Heroic Strikes, or Heroic Defenses) means you will never have the Might points you feel you need to do what you want. You can get around this normally by allying in other heroes to call Heroic Moves/Marches or Heroic Combats for the Spider Queen, but if she's on her own, she's going to feel VERY left out when she runs out of Might.
- Units/Gear:
- The Spider Queen [required, ARMY LEADER]
- Mirkwood Spiders
- Giant Spiders
- Rules:
- Spider Webs - every model gets the Spider Webs rule (models with a 6+ Shoot Value will hit on a 6/4+ if they move and shoot). In addition, Mirkwood Spiders get a +1 To Hit bonus when making shooting attacks with their webs.
- She hungers for sweeter meats - the Spider Queen gains +1 Attack when fighting against a Man, Dwarf, Elf, or Hobbit model.
- Fear of the matriarch - Warrior spider models may reroll all failed Courage tests for charging Terror-causing models if they are within 6" of the Spider Queen. In addition, the Spider Queen's Stand Fast radius is increased to 12".
Conclusion
Well, the predictions are in - if you have thoughts on these predictions, leave them below. Also, expect a follow-up post when we learn more (and when I get the sourcebook, I'll do a full review of each). Until next time, happy hobbying!
I could be wrong but one of the comments on conquest creations video, by someone who had been to ardacon, said the noecromancer of dol guldur list was gonna be more like when gandalf was captured, so with azog and the dungeon dude, and with gundabad orcs as well as the necromancer and the nazgul
ReplyDeleteNeat - that would be interesting too!
DeleteThe rumours were the first evil legion will be The Cess Pits of Dol Guldur (fell wargs, gundabad orcs mostly) and the second one would be the Necromancer, Nazguls and the Dungeon Keeper. I haven't heard anything about a dedicated Mirkwood LL, were did that info came from?
ReplyDeleteIt came from the Conquest Creations video - could have been a mistake though: https://youtu.be/_KFNPsWswBI.
DeleteThese look great fun, and I think all of them would be fun to play. Personally, I think that a couple of them need some tweaking though.
ReplyDeleteThe big problem that I see the White Council facing is that every turn they don't win Priority/Heroic Move-offs, they're not going to be casting spells. With only around 4 models, of which at least half are going to be rubbish in combat, any turn you're not casting is going to be a really rough turn. As someone who's played a lot of Fantasy Fellowship recently, Gandalf, Saruman and even Radagast (on foot) are both extremely vulnerable when they're charged. I think that this list has probably the harshest restrictions of all the Legendary Legions (no warrior choices to shelter the expensive wizards you need to take, little mobility, total reliance on winning Priority), so GW could definitely go harder with the special rules. I'd be inclined to start by letting them cast while in combat. I'm sure it would have some funky effects, but spamming out Nature's Wrath and Sorcerous Blast even when you're charged could make for a really interesting list. If your spells go off, you could be a really difficult bundle of heroes to tackle, but when they don't your expensive heroes are likely going to suffer a lot. It also reflects the fact that Saruman was clearly doing at least something in his battle with the Nazgul, when in game we'd expect them to slaughter him with ease. That might be all the change they really need (aside from the banner and Elrond's free Will), but you could probably go harder if you wanted. Giving Saruman a better combat profile (the banner will help, but he seems REALLY powerful in the movies) could be fun, or maybe giving some boost to Gandalf (who I personally think will be left at home a lot more than Radagast). Neither is really necessary though, and either could be exchanged for the bonus against Spirits, which I think is about as niche as it comes. Army of the Dead would already be a pretty good matchup for this list, I don't think they need to be specifically targeted.
The Rangers I think may go a little too far in the opposite direction. I really, really like all of the rules in it, but they're some pretty massive boosts to an army that isn't really that restrictive. Sure, not getting armoured Elves is rough, but basically this exact combo of models already wins tournaments without 2 free 6" banners and free spears everywhere. Both of those are massive buffs, and while the Legion likely wouldn't end up much more powerful than Rangers of Ithilien (or at all, really, Mirkwood Rangers being arguably a bit overpriced), that's probably not the bar we should be setting for these things. Maybe making the banner effect more conditional would do the trick? Something like 'Friendly models within 6" of Legolas or Tauriel count as within range of a banner if that hero has slain a model this turn." Basically Burdur's special rule but you can shoot as well to make it easier to accomplish. Even just making it a 3" unconditional effect might be enough. I just worry that otherwise, you'd be looking at a really terrifying list. Something like Legolas and Tauriel with one Sentinel and then 21 Rangers is already pretty brutal at 500 points, and vastly improving their combat power would probably make for a negative play experience.
On the other hand, I absolutely love everything about the Nazgul list. Super Harbinger would solve so much for them (although does the Necromancer himself count? I think he might be an Ancient Evil. If so, probably amending the rule to include him would be fine), and that's honestly all they really need. Combine that with a free banner and more flexible Will on the Necromancer, plus Fearless and Resistant to Magic, and I think this is absolutely perfect. I hope that we basically just get this, to be honest.
DeleteThe Spider one I think is fun, but it feels like it's missing something. I feel like this would turn the army into a massive skirmishing force that would be incredibly brutal on the charge thanks to Paralysing every second model, but without anything to back that up. The rules here are all powerful enough, I just wonder whether something relating to Heroic Moves would be in order. Free Heroic Moves from the Spider Queen may be a bit much, but she's fairly vulnerable so it could be done. Call it something like Head of the Swarm and I'm sure it'd be fine. It may make the Legion slightly too powerful, but you could always get rid of the extra Attack for her.
Overall, I think that the Nazgul Legion here is my clear favourite, and I really like a lot of the ideas here. Honestly, I'm inclined to give a White Council list with these buffs and casting while in combat a playtest!
Thanks for the thoughts - I must say that I had planned taking the next four years to get all the models I need for Quest of the Ringbearer and Fantasy Fellowships, but I kinda want to drop the money on the Necromancer and the Nazgul now. :-) Definitely excited for the sourcebook and can't wait to see what they do.
DeleteThe Ranger list, I have to admit, felt a little high-handed. The rub against the list in the current game is that if they get charged, you have expensive 1A, D3 troops (and they will die). As a long time Lorien Wood Elf player, I can attest to how important both banners and spears are for low Defense troops. Maybe a 3" banner and supporting models that are not within range of a banner would be better - I don't know.
I'm absolutely assuming I'll be tempted into splashing out on at least something, especially if the Legendary Legions live up to their potential.
DeleteYou're absolutely right re Rangers having some clear issues. My main worry with them is that they already see tournament success without a LL, so any bonuses they get for 'limiting' themselves can't be too powerful or things get scary. It'd be the equivalent giving out free Heroic Strikes and Combats to Rohan hero-spam lists or something crazy like that haha.
I had an alternative thought on the White Council, inspired by rereading their entry in War of the Ring. In that game mode, the Council got unique bonuses based on which models were still alive. What about if all of the Council members gave out unique buffs? So Elrond could hand out banner rerolls (or maybe even Lord of the West?) nearby, Saruman could let you cast while in combat, Galadriel would give everyone Channelled Terrifying Aura, etc... That way you'd have a real question as to which models to take, with each giving powerful bonuses to the whole team. You'd get to layer some powerful special rules on, but you're still limited to 3-5 footslogging models that mostly aren't great in combat.
I'm not totally sure what I'd give to Gandalf or Radagast. Gandalf is the one who brings the whole Council together at the right time and place, and has his whole 'never late' thing, so maybe he could give you some powerful deployment buffs? Letting everyone deploy in his warband, plus Lurtz's special rule might be enough.
Radagast could maybe just boost the mobility of the Council, as that's kind of his thing. Even something as simple as letting him call free Heroic Marches could be enough. He's already one of the more essential members to my mind, so I don't think he needs as much as some of them.
These are really interesting ideas - I think the idea of each one adding a buff would be useful (though I assume this wouldn't be within a radius of each other). If there was a 6" limit, I fear you'd expect the army to do far better than it does.
Deleteall the lists look great except for one. I think they made the Rangers list absolutely perfect and the LL's shouldn't be all good which is why I like it. the no-taking spears is why they take the LL if they want spears then simply take a normal list. I think the shielding makes the LL perfect and I love how thematic they made the LL. I rlly like what yall did with the mirkwood one. The White Council one i think is as well balanced as it possibly can be. that looks AMAZING. because elrond has free will it makes it a functioning alll hero army maybe give each hero 2 attacks and remove the "Are You In Need of Assistance" rule but over all i like the rationale and i love it
ReplyDeletei think my favorite LL that i have written or even seen is a Khazad Dum one that i titled, Durin's Last Stand.
u can take durin, mardin, Kings Champs, Captains, Dwarf Warriors, Ballistaes, Iron Guards, Khazad Guards, shield bearers.
then for special rules
Greatest of the Dwarves: Durin, King of Moria gains Legendary Hero: Every time he spends a point of might on a 4+ it is free.
Loyalty in All: the hearth guard upgrade may be purchased for +1 pt each rather than two. Additionally, all warbands may take this upgrade.
When Durin Fell: If Durin is slain, the force automatically counts as being broken. Note: this does not count for victory points.
I think it gives the army nice buffs but i also like the fact that it has something that is not very helpful. I personally would like to see that more in legendary legions.