Good morning gamers,
With only one of the old warbands books left to cover, we’re entering the home stretch. Today we tackle the more conventional armies from the Free Peoples, so prepare yourself for Elves, Dwarves, and Hobbits! As mentioned in our previous posts, you should also check out Mik's Veni Vidi Vici blog for thoughts from the “experts” (at the time of this writing, the Kingdom of Khazad-Dum, Rivendell, and the Shire have been covered).
1) The New Lists: Rivendell, Lothlorien, The Kingdom of Khazad-Dum, and The Shire
The armies you’ll see here haven’t changed very much over the ages – the Shire list in particular reflects what the old Legions of Middle-Earth book had, while Rivendell got a profile (finally) for the knights that were always listed in the Legions book. Lothlorien has also returned to its roots, though with a few changes here and there. The list that has changed the most is the Khazad-Dum list (Dwarves used to be three lists back in the Legions days), consolidating the Dwarves from the era of the War of the Ring to “one” list (which is really two lists). All told, not a lot of changes at the macro-level.
With only one of the old warbands books left to cover, we’re entering the home stretch. Today we tackle the more conventional armies from the Free Peoples, so prepare yourself for Elves, Dwarves, and Hobbits! As mentioned in our previous posts, you should also check out Mik's Veni Vidi Vici blog for thoughts from the “experts” (at the time of this writing, the Kingdom of Khazad-Dum, Rivendell, and the Shire have been covered).
1) The New Lists: Rivendell, Lothlorien, The Kingdom of Khazad-Dum, and The Shire
The armies you’ll see here haven’t changed very much over the ages – the Shire list in particular reflects what the old Legions of Middle-Earth book had, while Rivendell got a profile (finally) for the knights that were always listed in the Legions book. Lothlorien has also returned to its roots, though with a few changes here and there. The list that has changed the most is the Khazad-Dum list (Dwarves used to be three lists back in the Legions days), consolidating the Dwarves from the era of the War of the Ring to “one” list (which is really two lists). All told, not a lot of changes at the macro-level.
2) The Army Bonuses: Small Augments
I’m not sure that any of these armies NEED to keep their army bonus – though each of them helps the army in small ways. High Elves hit more with their archery when they’re standing still, but they already hit on 3s and they have problems fielding a lot of archers (unless you take the Twins and High Elf Captains with Elf bows). Lorien Elves gain Resistant to Magic, which is great for the all-important-saving-of-banners, but has absolutely no effect if your opponent avoids bringing magic to the table. Dwarves reroll 1s in close combat – possibly the best of the army bonuses in this post – and while this is definitely useful, it only marginally makes your units do more damage. Finally, Hobbits gain Woodland Creature, which helps them move through wooded terrain more easily, but if you don’t have a lot of woodland terrain on the map, it’s not going to help you. In our lists today, we’ll look at both historical and convenient alliances to give you a flavor of both options for each army.
3) The Lists: Rivendell
If you want to maximize your bow count, the best way to do it is to have lots of guys. The perennial question when using High Elves, though, is how do I do that? High Elves have both really powerful, really expensive heroes (like Gil-Galad, Elrond, and Glorfindel) who can bring more than 12 models in their warbands, while also having decently powerful heroes (often more auric-focused or magic-focused) who can only bring 6-12 models but are very, VERY cheap. For our first list, we’ll be looking at a spam army that focuses on bringing cheaper heroes to the fight:
List #1: The
Guardians of the Pathways
Gildor Inglorion - 70
Gildor Inglorion - 70
Arwen
Undomiel - 60
High Elf
Captain with Elf Bow - 80
6 High Elf
Warriors with shields – 60
6 High Elf
Warriors with shields and spears – 66
12 High Elf
Warriors with Elf bows – 132
12 Noldorin
Exiles with throwing daggers - 132
Getting more than 13 bows is basically impossible at 600 points, and we’ve landed right on 13 here. Your army leader should be the boring, High Elf Captain with an Elf bow, supported by all 12 High Elf Warriors with Elf bows so that together they can volley barrage after barrage of arrows into your opponents (hitting on 3s rerollable – truly devastating). Arwen leads the small anvil team, but with Wrath of Bruinen, she should keep the press of the enemy from breaking the ranks easily. Finally, Gildor Inglorion leads 12 Noldorin Exiles with throwing daggers, who have 8” movement with a 6” throwing range – perfect for touching cavalry early or swinging quickly towards an objective and sniping lone ememies (we chose not to give any of these guys Elf bows because not only are they just as expensive as the armored variant, but they keep the Lorien keyword and so don’t benefit from the Rivendell army bonus).
Getting more than 13 bows is basically impossible at 600 points, and we’ve landed right on 13 here. Your army leader should be the boring, High Elf Captain with an Elf bow, supported by all 12 High Elf Warriors with Elf bows so that together they can volley barrage after barrage of arrows into your opponents (hitting on 3s rerollable – truly devastating). Arwen leads the small anvil team, but with Wrath of Bruinen, she should keep the press of the enemy from breaking the ranks easily. Finally, Gildor Inglorion leads 12 Noldorin Exiles with throwing daggers, who have 8” movement with a 6” throwing range – perfect for touching cavalry early or swinging quickly towards an objective and sniping lone ememies (we chose not to give any of these guys Elf bows because not only are they just as expensive as the armored variant, but they keep the Lorien keyword and so don’t benefit from the Rivendell army bonus).
Though many
of the models in this list are below D6, it sports a very respectable (for
Elves) 39 models at 600 points. You could replace Gildor Inglorion with Erestor
and replace the Noldorin Exiles with fewer High Elf Warriors if you wanted to,
but drop below 10 guys supporting Erestor and you cut into your bow limit. I’ve
decided to use Noldorin Exiles not because they’re cheaper than High Elf
Warriors (they used to be, but not anymore), but because they allow more of
your models to benefit from the Elven high Shoot value (though again, they
don’t benefit from the army bonus). Our second list takes the high-cost hero
approach to a whole new level of fun…
List #2: Into
The Wild
Glorfindel, Lord of the West with Armor of Gondolin and Asfaloth – 170
Glorfindel, Lord of the West with Armor of Gondolin and Asfaloth – 170
5 High Elf
Warriors with shields – 50
5 High Elf
Warriors with shields and spears – 55
5 High Elf
Warriors with Elf bows – 55
Ally: The
Shire
Meriadoc,
Captain of the Shire with shield - 50
Peregrin,
Captain of the Shire with shield - 50
Fredegar
Bolger - 10
15 Battlin’
Brandybucks – 75
10 Tookish
Hunters – 60
5 Hobbit
Shirriffs - 25
With a whopping 49 models, we have the great Elven lord Glorfindel on his powerful horse Asfaloth. He’s supported by 15 models who, despite lacking the archery bonus, are still a force to be reckoned with. What the Elves lack in archery is made up for by the 10 Tookish Hunters in this list (bringing us to 15 bows, though they aren’t all S3) and more Might than our last list (and Fatty – who doesn’t want to take Fatty!). Both lists give up their army bonus – neither need it and the relative cheapness of the Hobbits allows you to have the numbers that you need to buy someone like Glorfindel time to kill stuff. I think I agree with Mik’s assessment that you don’t NEED the Armor of Gondolin because you’re probably not going to lose any fights, but I’ve been wrong before, so we’ll pay 15 extra points to boost that Defense value and make us immune to the generic Monster attacks.
4) The Lists: Lothlorien
When I first got started with LOTR SBG, I had the Mines of Moria set, so my first armies were the Fellowship and Moria. Since I had Legolas and Gimli, I knew what I wanted for my first armies: Dwarves and Wood Elves. After playing some 500-point games with Legolas, 24 Wood Elves, and Gandalf to keep them alive, my good mate Zorro said, “You should run Galadriel – she’s cheaper than Gandalf.” To that I replied, “Yes, you’re right – I will.” At my next birthday, my wonderful wife surprised me with pack off Ebay that had not just Galadriel, but a Celeborn model and a Haldir model. With that, my departure from Thranduil’s Halls to Lothlorien began (though the two were joined in the Warbands books, so it didn’t really matter).
Lothlorien has two basic kinds of warriors – Galadhrim
Warriors (heavy infantry) and Wood Elf Warriors (light infantry). Both of these
guys got more expensive and got some major buffs: Galadhrim were given heavy
armor instead of armor and got free Elven-made Hand-and-a-Half swords (we’re
going to call these “Elven blades” for the rest of the post because it takes
too long to write). Wood Elf Warriors were forced to pay for Elven blades and
got Elven cloaks for free (which is good because we NEVER paid +5 pts/model to
give them to our guys before – just too expensive).
Both of these changes made
the basic infantry for Lothlorien better, but also prevents us from spamming as
well as we used to be able to do. The list below shows what you can do with a
pure Lothlorien list:
List #1: The
Lady of the Wood
Galadriel – 130
Galadriel – 130
Celeborn
with heavy armor and Elven-made Hand-and-a-Half Sword – 145
17 Galadhrim
Warriors with shields – 170
5 Wood Elf
Warriors with spears – 45
11 Wood Elf
Warriors with Elf bows – 110
If I was
playing a game larger than 600, I’d swap Celeborn for Haldir (with bow,
probably heavy armor) and Rumil – gives you +9 warrior slots for +25 points
(+15 points if you skip the heavy armor). While Celeborn is a beast in battle
(especially if he casts Enchanted Blades on himself), you can get pretty good
melee results out of Rumil and great archery from Haldir (the Elf bow is a
gimme – don’t know why they don’t make the purchase standard). The core of this
list is Galadriel, who not only provides great archery protection to the team,
but can Immobilise people from a distance (keeping valuable heroes from getting
to you), Command banners/cavalry/auric heroes away from the front ranks, or
restore those oh-so-important Fate points with the Blessing of the Valar. I’ve
run her even in small games and find that she always makes a difference – NEVER
leave her at home.
Supporting
these heroes are 17 heavily-armored swordsmen who form your shield-wall
perimeter around your bowmen – Galadhrim bowmen cost a little more than Wood
Elf bowmen, but I’ve found the defense doesn’t help THAT much (certainly more
than it did in the previous edition). The addition of Elven Cloaks as a
standard gear option makes shooting from behind fallen logs, shrubs, and stout
trees/rocks much safer for your archers. In wide-open maps, your D6 front line
will help some (though the Elven Cloaks won’t trigger). As you probably noticed
above, I really like Wood Elves, so naturally I chose them here. We also have
some token spear-armed Wood Elves because they also save us money.
While I
think Lothlorien is great on its own, taking a Convenient ally doesn’t hurt you
very much (Resistant to Magic is great and all, but only if your opponent
brings magic in the first place). Here’s an example of what you can do without
it:
List #2: Defense
of the Deeping Wall
Haldir with Heavy Armor and Elf Bow - 85
Haldir with Heavy Armor and Elf Bow - 85
3 Galadhrim
Warriors with shields – 30
5 Galadhrim
Warriors with shields and spears – 55
3 Galadhrim
Warriors with Elf bows – 33
1 Galadhrim
Warrior with Elf bow and spear - 12
Ally: The
Fellowship
Aragorn – Strider
with armor, bow, and horse – 180
Legolas
Greenleaf with armor – 105
Gimli, Son
of Gloin - 100
Our team has an equal balance of spears to non-spears across its warriors and have four KILLER heroes. Haldir has a niche special rule that gives him a banner bonus when “near” Aragorn and we’ve kitted the great hero of the Dunedain out to smash lots of things (horse-archer who can be devastating on the charge) and the natural pairing of Legolas and Gimli, who we talked about in our post on Rohan a few weeks ago. This team unleashes the power of 4 Elf bows across the Galadhrim Warriors + 2 more shots each turn from Haldir + 1-3 shots each turn from Legolas (depending on how precise you want to be), which can be as many as 9 Elf bows shooting each turn (plus Aragorn’s bow and Gimli’s throwing axes). All in a 16-model army (that’s very close to 75% of your army able to shoot). Not sure how competitive this would be (16 models is not forgiving at all), but it would definitely be fun to play with.
5) The Lists: Kingdoms of Khazad-Dum
These guys have been near-and-dear to my heart since I first got started in the hobby. There’s much to recommend these bearded fellows – high Fight, high Defense, basically average cost, several very offensive-focused elite warrior options with decent Defense, skirmish potential from Rangers, and siege engines. Only real downside to these guys? Limited Fate, 1” less movement (which is whatever except when it matters), and basically no spears. Still, over the past few years, I’ve come up with a theory about Dwarves from these lists: they’re archers.
Wait, what?
Yes, they’re archers.
With the release of the Armies of the Hobbit, you’ll find
Dwarves who can D7 across everyone AND spears (Army of Thror) and armies with
S4/D8 across their infantry (Iron Hills) – both of which are impossible to get
with the Kingdoms of Khazad-Dum. So where does this list shine where the others
don’t? Archery. The Army of Thror has access to throwing axes on their Grim
Hammers and the Iron Hills have access to crossbows (to say nothing of the
“twirly whirlies”), but none have the depth and diversity of the Kingdom of
Khazad-Dum with Dwarf bows (which are just as good at wounding most odd-Defense
troops as crossbows), Dwarf Long Bows (who are not as good across the board at
wounding but hit more often or provide you with mobility while hitting just as
accurately as crossbows), throwing axes on Dwarf Rangers (who aren’t as
armored as Grim Hammers but otherwise are pretty similar), and the all-powerful Dwarf Ballista.
Oh, and all of these
archer options are CHEAPER than their other Dwarf cousins.
Sure, Khazad-Dum
also has access to big dang heroes, but all Dwarves have access to those (we’ll
argue the merits of different heroes in a later post). One other thing that makes Khazad-Dum different from the
other lists is the two sublists you can run from it – Khazad-Dum and Moria.
We’ll be looking at one army list from each option to give you a feel for how
the armies work:
List #1: The
King of Khazad-Dum
Durin, King of Khazad-Dum - 160
Durin, King of Khazad-Dum - 160
King’s
Champion - 140
12
Hearthguard - 156
6 Dwarf
Warriors with shields – 54
10 Dwarf
Warriors with Dwarf bows - 90
There aren’t any Dwarf models available that deal more of a punch than Hearthguard (Vault Wardens might be more resilient, but they’re not NEARLY as lethal). For 13 points/model, you’re getting F4/S4/D7 while using an axe two-handed with no penalty to win the fight – watch those D6 shield walls collapse under your pressure. When surrounding Durin, these guys are INCREDIBLY powerful, but they become even better when supported with banners (which the King’s Champion gives us two to use).
I’ve often
held the King’s Champion to be one of the most broken heroes in the game (if
you subtract the cost of his retinue, he costs ~70 points – that’s less than a
Dwarf King and he's better than a Dwarf King!) – so naturally, I got what I needed to convert one up (don't like the look of the one GW made). J While he can only lead
10 warriors (since his Heralds take up the first two slots), he’s a great
addition to any list. In this list, he’ll bring along the Dwarf Warriors with
shields (who roll effectively 3 dice to win the fight when shielding thanks to his banners) – they should
keep the King’s Champion and his Heralds from getting engaged (which would
disrupt their Defense bubble).
Supporting
both lines of troops are 10 Dwarf Warriors with Dwarf Bows. There’s been a
great debate (and it still rages today) as to which kind of Dwarf archer is
best – Warriors with Dwarf Bows or Rangers with Dwarf Long Bows. I like them
both, but since we have a lot of D7+ models in this list, I didn’t think having
~30% of the army at D5 would be very helpful. So, for this list, the Defense
game won out. My personal opinion is that you should always have a mix of both
– most armies you face will have a mixture of odd-Defense and even-Defense
models, so you’ll be rewarded by having both if you target odd-Defense with
odd-Strength (Dwarf Bows) and even-Defense with even-Strength (Dwarf Long
Bows).
Our next
list looks at the Moria end of the army, led by Balin – this army has a VERY
different feel to it.
List #2: The
Moria Expedition
Balin, Lord of Moria – 110
Balin, Lord of Moria – 110
Gimli, Son
of Gloin – 100
Oin the
Dwarf, Champion of Erebor – 65
16 Dwarf
Warriors with shields – 144
6 Dwarf
Warriors with Dwarf bows – 54
7 Dwarf
Rangers with Throwing axes – 63
1 Dwarf
Ranger with Throwing axes and two-handed axe – 10
6 Dwarf
Rangers with Dwarf Long Bows - 54
This list has room to grow before we need to buy more heroes (unlike the last one), but it’s already got a TON of shooting in it. An even balance of Warriors with Dwarf Bows and Rangers with Dwarf Long Bows are supplemented by eight Dwarf Rangers with throwing axes – perfect for doing some light skirmishing and clearing out a unit or two on the charge each turn as the battle drags on. With Gimli also having throwing axes, you’ve got 21 models who can shoot (and with only 39 models in the army, that’s over half the models being able to shoot).
This list has room to grow before we need to buy more heroes (unlike the last one), but it’s already got a TON of shooting in it. An even balance of Warriors with Dwarf Bows and Rangers with Dwarf Long Bows are supplemented by eight Dwarf Rangers with throwing axes – perfect for doing some light skirmishing and clearing out a unit or two on the charge each turn as the battle drags on. With Gimli also having throwing axes, you’ve got 21 models who can shoot (and with only 39 models in the army, that’s over half the models being able to shoot).
I’ve often
thought that having archery was better than having spears – your opponent
doesn’t get a say in your archery, but he DOES get a say in combat. Having all
of these bows does make up for the fact that you don’t have spears, but run
these guys too much and anti-archery characters may pop up more frequently
(Galadriel, Gandalf, the Shadow Lord). Even if it comes to combat, you have
plenty of Dwarf Warriors who can shield when outnumbered and heroes who can
CRUNCH stuff.
Balin is a
baller hero and Gimli is right up there with him. One of these two beastly
hearoes can be supplemented by Oin’s Prognostication rule (once-per-round
banner bonus), which can save you valuable Might points in promoting a bad
roll. While the predominance of Rangers does make this army a bit squishier
than it could have been otherwise (I mean, we could have 25 Warriors with
shields OR opted for more elite warriors), you’ve got more flexibility and
skirmish potential with this list. If you want resilience, I kindly submit that
Iron Hills or the Army of Thror might be more to your liking (but that's a post for another day). J
6) The Lists: The Shire
I’ll never forget the tournament where my good mate Centaur said “I’m bringing my Waistcoat Brigade – buckets of Hobbits alongside Dwarves from the Blue Mountains, including Balin, Dwalin, and TONS of D7 Dwarves.” My thought was . . . sure, there won’t be any spears in that list, but I really don’t want to face it. As luck would have it, I not only faced that list . . . I died against that list. While Hobbits are incredibly weak on paper, they’re a royal pain to fight on the table because of their sheer numbers. With the new rules, numbers can be played even more heavily than under the previous warbands restrictions (60 Hobbit warriors max if you run Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, and Bullroarer + 3 Dogs) and has returned to much of the feel we had in Legions. Let’s take a look at a bit of an extreme case:
List #1: The
Heroes are Home
Frodo of the Nine Fingers on Pony – 65
Frodo of the Nine Fingers on Pony – 65
Meriadoc,
Captain of the Shire with shield – 50
Peregrin,
Captain of the Shire with shield – 50
Paladin Took
– 25
Farmer
Maggot – 45
Fredegar
Bolger – 10
13 Hobbit
Militia with axes – 52
3 Hobbit
Militia with flails – 15
15 Battlin’
Brandybucks with axes or hammers – 75
23 Tookish
Hunters – 138
15 Hobbit
Shirriffs - 75
Clocking in at 78 models, we’ve got a RIDICULOUS amount of Hobbits in this list. With everyone able to throw stones (or shoot bows) and with all models (except Maggot’s dogs) getting Woodland Creature, your little waistcoat brigade can move with ease through some kinds of difficult terrain and require your opponent to butcher tons of little blokes in order to break you. While it may seem that the increase in price for the warriors has hurt the Shire, I actually think the Shire has gotten better with the new system. Why?
First,
heroes who used to be Independent Heroes (Farmer Maggot, Lobelia
Sackville-Baggins, and Fredegar “Fatty” Bolger) have become Heroes of Fortitude
(Maggot – though the first 3 slots are taken up by his dogs) or Minor Heroes
(Lobelia and Fatty). This increases the number of Shire-rats you can bring with
you, which is the whole point of running this list.
Second,
Merry and Pippin got a bit better, cost a little bit more, and can both take
shields – giving you decent Defense on two decent combat heroes. Previously, if
you wanted a good combat hero, you either needed to ally a few in OR you had to
use Bandobras Took, who isn’t THAT great of a hero.
Third, while
there are limits to the number of Battlin’ Brandybucks and Tookish Hunters you
can bring, Hobbit Militia don’t NEED the S3 bonus (you can give them axes and
it works just fine) OR you can give them Flails (they’re already F1, so you’re
not losing anything) PLUS the new hand-and-a-half club on Hobbit Shirriffs have
made them just as efficient at killing things as Battlin’ Brandybucks (in the
main).
List #2: Friends
of the Shire
Gandalf the Grey with Cart – 195
Gandalf the Grey with Cart – 195
Paladin Took
– 25
Farmer
Maggot - 45
3 Dunedain -
72
19 Hobbit Militia
with axes – 76
3 Hobbit
Militia with flails – 15
5 Hobbit
Archers – 25
12 Tookish
Hunters – 72
15 Hobbit
Shirriffs - 75
While not as big as the previous list, this list does have 63 models in it and has more tactical benefits. The previous list had 23 bows, while this one has 20 bows (between the Hobbit Archers, Tookish Hunters, and Dunedain). There are no Battlin’ Brandybucks, but the same number of Flails and Shirriffs (and more axe-wielding Militia). In many ways, this list will play similarly to the previous list . . . until you get to the heroes.
Gandalf the
Grey changes everything in this list. First, while mounted on his cart, Gandalf
gets to make short-range shooting attacks, even when he charges. Second, the
cart provides good cover for your team from enemy archery thanks to both the
height of the cart and the size of the Blinding Light spell (which uses the
base of the caster, which is HUGE thanks to the cart base). Third, Gandalf’s
spells can ensure that heroes like Maggot or the Dunedain are safer (either by
boosting their Will with Strengthen Will, protecting them from archery via
Blinding Light as mentioned previously, removing the ability to be wounded by
their foes with Immobilise/Command, protect them from magic/directed special
rules with Protection of the Valar, Sorcerous Blast will knock 1-2 people on
the ground preventing whoever fights them from being wounded).
Supporting
Gandalf are Dunedain – who are NOTHING LIKE the Dunedain you can get in the
Rangers list. Dunedain here remain at only 1 Attack, they don’t have Woodland
Creature, and in trade for this, you can bring extra Shire-lings. Totally worth
it, but for a completely different reason than allying in Dunedain from the
Rangers would have. Additionally, Dunedain are great as minor heroes because
unlike Fatty and Lobelia, Dunedain have Might. Since the cost of a Dunedain is
the same as getting Lobelia AND Fatty, there’s probably a good case for running
these two Minor heroes instead of a Dunedain. However, the lack of Might will
mean that while you can have more warriors in your army, you’re still relying
on winning priority in order to get your Hobbits where they need to go.
Alternatively, you can rely on a Dunedain to call much needed Heroic Moves if
leading Militia/Shirriffs OR a much needed Heroic Accuracy if leading Hobbit
Archers.
Well, those are the more traditional lists from the Free
Peoples – hopefully this was informative and got you thinking about the army
lists above. In our final post in the Lord of the Rings part of this series,
we’ll look at the less conventional armies from the Free People’s book. Until
next time, happy hobbying!
As a, virtually, Dwarf-only player since the Dwarves could only be purchased in three-figure blister packs, I was extremely disappointed with the reworked lists. Granted, Dwarven lists can be exceptionally strong, but never to the point (in my humble opinion) of that of the likes of Gondor/Fiefdoms (especially in the new rules) or the Elven holds. With Dain going the Iron Hills list (not historical allies? Really GW?), Ori and Oin becoming wanderers (who can’t be brought as the list? Really GW?), and Gimli only able to be brought with Balin thus making them impossible allies with everyone else (really GW?), they have quite literally made it impossible to bring a named Dwarf hero that isn’t named Balin or Durin (you could bring Mardin or Floi by themselves, but they make for terrible army leaders). And, of course, you can’t bring them together, which is totally fair but makes it extremely difficult to have multiple named heroes in larger games. Granted, Balin is literally a Dwarven King with a special axe and rules, and albeit the ability to spam kings as “super captains” can be useful, but it makes the lists boring in my opinion. The great thing about playing good armies is building a theme around the named heroes, and GW gutted the ability for the Dwarves to do the same.
ReplyDeleteThat is important because I think the special rule is baller. I can’t count the number of times I’ve rolled 1’s, and I typically kill (not just reroll) five to six additional models per game with the rule. One of the more OP army rules IMO.
As far as elite units, I actually prefer Vault Wardens to Hearthguard. The reason being the number of attacks. A VW team costs 1 less per two figures (12+13 as opposed to 13), you have the ridiculous defense, you gain a perk to fight monsters, but you get TWO attacks. That is huge in the new lists. With so many armies gaining access to spears, and the fact that an elite-based dwarf list will always be outnumbered, you have to maximize your attacks (part of why I think the army rule is actually important to keep). I’ve had plenty of games where I bring a ton of Khazad Guard, only to have 20-30% of them unable to fight due to terrain/frontage. I get that with a small front, an account of having VW’s, you are vulnerable to flanking but that’s why you make them your center with [insert troop type here] on one side with [insert hero here] holding the other (or both if you have sufficient points). Personally, I love running Iron Guard. I think they legitimately contend for the title of best good warriors in the game. With two attacks, throwing axes, and F/S 4, they are nasty for anything without similar stats or overbearing numbers.
I’ve also found this group’s obsession with bows somewhat perplexing, especially if it isn’t a crossbow, or longbow/Elf longbow. I might get it if facing armies with low defense, on boards with little to no terrain cover, or when expecting to face a skirmishing force (all of which I have yet to see in games played with ya’ll ;) ), but otherwise as most of the scenarios allow you to start reasonably close to your foe I don’t see the points investment as being worth it unless you are running a horde army/armies that are poor in close combat (goblins, hobbits, etc.). See the following link for a mathematical approach for “more common” bow numbers. http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=258894 Even if you manage to get a 10% chance to wound, you would still need to shoot 10 guys to make that happen. I realize that’s not how the math actually works once you start rolling dice, but if we are just looking at paper armies I have yet to be convinced most armies should have large numbers of bowmen. Certainly not a classic Dwarven army. I will grant that a dwarf archer is basically the same as a shielded swordsman from other good armies in a fight, but if your primary motive is to sit back and shoot I have to disagree on the value of bringing as many as possible. :)
ReplyDeleteThat said, one thing I think is totally worth it is the Dwarf Ballista with the new scatter chart! It doesn’t really care what your defense is, if it hits you (and it has the same chance to hit – before scatter – as an archer does) you are probably dying on a 3+ and a couple of your friends might die to. Even if you don’t die, it’s great for disrupting battle lines.
Oh don't worry - you'll see my skirmish hobbit army (which has only lost like 1-2 battles) soon enough. And with our new special rule giving us Woodland Creature, I can guarantee that I'll bring it to a tournament near you soon, :)
DeleteI'll say, though, I am surprised that more dwarf players don't take ballistas. Under the old rules they were whatever, but now? Holy cow - that is an effective way to hold a flank and support your main force. Huge fan.
While I’m solidly in the “pro-bows” camp because your opponent doesn’t get to roll against it, I think you may be undervaluing spears. ;-)
ReplyDeleteYes, your opponent gets to roll against spear damage. But for good armies, bows lose their precious advantage once the enemy closes with you, unless you have a specific terrain advantage (I.e. an overlook allowing you LOS to back rank supports) or a specific positioning advantage (I.e. an exposed flank where, again, you can target models supporting or not engaged).
Khazad Dwarves are a special case, since they only have one spear troop option, but unless you can consistently bring about those niche situations, I think the spears are usually better value in the mid-to-late game for good armies (evil maybe not, since you can shoot into combats). Especially if you have spears of a higher strength than your bows (like the Vault Wardens’ foe spears).
I don’t know which strategy pays more dividends overall (more Bows! More spears!), so I usually split the difference wherever possible by giving my archers spears. :-P Not every army can do it, but off the top of my head I’d definitely do it whenever possible for Numenor (S2 Bows, S4 spears, D4), Gondor (Archers or Rangers, S2 Bows, S3 Spears, D4-5), Harad (poisoned S2 Bows, poisoned S3 spears, D4), Rangers (S2 Bow, S4 spears, D4-5), and Iron Hills/ER (S4 crossbows, S4 spears, D6). Elves with S3 bows/S3 spears I’m less sure about, unless I have them in an allied force. Then I definitely want F5 on a stick. ;-)
~K